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	<title>Comments on: Putting your neck on the block&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies if that is what it sounded like, I meant that yours was a vastly different take than Immoderate&#039;s! I was referring to your post as a reason why I was posting, there was some very good stuff in it, especially the observations here:
&lt;blockquote&gt;- It sounds like Piper is addressing those who
a) minimize propostitional truth and biblical theology.
b) don&#039;t believe in hell or penal substitution
c) those in the Emergent Village group in USA and probably not the global emerging church movement&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I got so distracted by immoderate&#039;s position on Mark that I didn&#039;t really comment on yours. I thought this take was spot on. John is a 5-point calvinist who passionately feels that you must appreciate the gravity of these things in order to enjoy God the most.
Point C really struck me, I&#039;ve noticed that that Emergent village in the US (and Emergent UK) seems personality driven - almost cultish (other evangelical pop-preaching movements also give me this vibe, I worry that it will happen to this nascent reform &quot;resurgence.&quot;) I recently read Tony Jones&#039; post on meeting John Piper for lunch, &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://theoblogy.blogspot.com/2006/10/my-lunch-with-john-piper.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;well worth a read as well&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies if that is what it sounded like, I meant that yours was a vastly different take than Immoderate&#8217;s! I was referring to your post as a reason why I was posting, there was some very good stuff in it, especially the observations here:</p>
<blockquote><p>- It sounds like Piper is addressing those who<br />
a) minimize propostitional truth and biblical theology.<br />
b) don&#8217;t believe in hell or penal substitution<br />
c) those in the Emergent Village group in USA and probably not the global emerging church movement</p></blockquote>
<p>I got so distracted by immoderate&#8217;s position on Mark that I didn&#8217;t really comment on yours. I thought this take was spot on. John is a 5-point calvinist who passionately feels that you must appreciate the gravity of these things in order to enjoy God the most.<br />
Point C really struck me, I&#8217;ve noticed that that Emergent village in the US (and Emergent UK) seems personality driven &#8211; almost cultish (other evangelical pop-preaching movements also give me this vibe, I worry that it will happen to this nascent reform &#8220;resurgence.&#8221;) I recently read Tony Jones&#8217; post on meeting John Piper for lunch, <a target="_blank" href="http://theoblogy.blogspot.com/2006/10/my-lunch-with-john-piper.html" rel="nofollow">well worth a read as well</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 07:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey - glad it was helpful

mark d. is a good friend of mine - i would love to know how you see our views as vastly different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey &#8211; glad it was helpful</p>
<p>mark d. is a good friend of mine &#8211; i would love to know how you see our views as vastly different.</p>
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